Template talk:Campaignbox Medieval Albanian–Ottoman Wars

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I propose to delete Skanderbeg's Italian expedition from this template, since it does not belong to this template.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't see what the big deal with this is. Template:Campaignbox Napoleonic Wars includes ten wars that Napoleon didn't have direct involvement in. The navbox is only meant for navigation, not to provide information.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 20:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong example. "The Napoleonic Wars were a series of conflicts declared against Napoleon's French Empire and changing sets of European allies by opposing coalitions that ran from 1803 to 1815." This definition does not define conflicts as conflicts with direct involvement of Napoleon.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't wanna get into an argument over Napeoleon's wars, but the navbox is still used for navigation and little else.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You brought the Napoleonic wars as argument. The navbox should not mislead the readers to believe that Skanderbeg's Italian expedition was in fact war that included Ottoman Empire.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ther's no way you'll agree with me so I'll specify that. How about it?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that moving the Skanderbeg's Italian expedition to the separate section because it is not related to the war which included Ottoman Empire reduce the risk of misleading the readers. What is the logic of separate sections for Pre-1443, 1443-1468 and Post-1468?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's absurd to say the two are not related. The dates are included primarily to distinguish between Skanderbeg's and others' campaigns.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 00:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Based on what you wrote in that article:

1. there was no war with Ottoman Empire in Albania during Skanderbeg's expedition to Italy because there was a truce and three-year ceasfire
2. Skanderbeg fought against House of Anjou, Principality of Taranto and Pro-Angevin Italian nobles
3. as vassal of the Kingdom of Naples
4. on the territory that is thousand kilometers away from Albania and Ottoman Empire

Taking that in consideration, I don't think it is absurd to say that Skanderbeg's expedition to Italy is not related to the wars that included Ottoman Empire.

The best way to distinguish Skanderbeg's campaigns is to make template with Skanderbeg's campaigns. It is impossible to properly distinguish Skanderbeg's campaigns within this template (Ottoman-Albanian wars). Such attempts already created a mess. Some of those campaigns (like Skanderbeg's expedition to Italy) had nothing to do with the wars that included Ottoman Empire. On the other hand, some of those campaigns that were part of the wars that included Ottoman Empire had nothing to do with Skanderbeg (Arianiti's campaigns). And finally, when someone clicks to the title of the navigation box, it links to the League of Lezhë which was agreed 11 years after Arianiti's campaigns.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 01:39, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're obviously very confused Antid. I made the distinction. Contemporaneous means Existing or created in the same period of time. Anyway, there were more Albanian wars against the Ottoman Empire and to title it Skanderbeg's campaigns would mean that we are ignoring history. And where did you get 1,000 km from? (Just so you know, I'm trying to reach a consensus with you... -.- ) --Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, why do you make everything so controversial when it doesn't have to be?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"You're obviously very confused"... "you make everything so controversial". According to WP:NPA you should "Comment on content, not on the contributor."

I did not propose to rename this template to Skanderbeg's campaigns. On the contrary. Please read carefully what I wrote in my comment.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This template contain list of battles,not wars. I propose to replace wars with battles.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to the WP:NAV:

Navigation templates provide navigation between existing articles. Red links should be avoided unless they are very likely to be developed into articles, and even if they do, editors are encouraged to write the article first.

there are a few red links in this navigation box that should be deleted. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Battle of Meçad and the Battle of Modrica (redirects to a section) are not "existing articles".--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you assume they won't be made?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Read the above sentence. "even if they do, editors are encouraged to write the article first". --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ecouraged to does not amount to required to.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is right.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to resume:

Ottoman-Albanian wars article does not exist. It links to article about League of Lezhe.

1st Meçad article does not exist. It links to another article

Modrica battle article does not exist. It links to another article

Arianiti's campaigns article does not exist. It links to another article

Macedonian raid article does not exist.

3rd Oranik article does not exist

2nd Vaikal article does not exist, It links to another article

Kashari article does not exist, It links to another article

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Skanderbeg's unsuccessful siege of Svetigrad in 1449 is not presented with the link in this template. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Skanderbeg's very important unsuccessful attack on Elbasan in 1467 is not presented with the linked article in this template. On the other hand, there are separate links to 1st Meçad and Modrica battle although that was one battle which happened on the same day. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]