User talk:AssociateAffiliate

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor making rapid, nonsense !votes at AfD and refusing to accept new sports SNG. Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 18:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "make useful contributions" what a fucking joke, 60,000 edits and 6,500 new articles created. I'm done. This encyclopedia is now overrun by people who are incompetent and make absolutely no useful contributions, if they could they would, but their inability to speaks volumes. AA (2009-2022), out. StickyWicket (talk) 07:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When you come back from your retirement, keep in mind that there are no vested contributors on this website. You are required to treat everyone with respect. This includes making snide comments to new users. If you have evidence that someone has engaged in sock puppetry, you can file a report at WP:SPI. Otherwise, you need to keep your suspicions to yourself. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • AssociateAffiliate, I really hope you decide to come back. You're one of the last quality sports article creators we have! BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose I should really back off here and I would appreciate any comment by NinjaRobotPirate, but I think it is reasonable to point out that my first venture into AFD came after 46 days membership and over 300 edits. Back in 2009–2010, AssociateAffiliate made their first venture into AFD exactly 46 days after opening their account. What a coincidence.

However, as I have already said at the AFD page, I hope that despite their outburst, obviously caused by frustration, AssociateAffiliate will think twice about quitting the site. I am more than happy to accept consensus if any or all of the articles I nominated should be retained. If I have made any mistakes, I shall learn from them as I always do.

I've said my piece and now I will move on. Thank you.

Sistorian (talk) 16:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose it's worth putting on the record here that Sistorian has since been blocked as a sockpuppet of No Great Shaker, an account which is very clearly a self-confessed sockpuppet of BlackJack. I doubt very much that the intention of the editor concerned was to lead to AssociateAffiliate decided to at least take an extended break from Wikipedia, but it is, perhaps, a shame that rather than being blocked initially that AA wasn't questioned about the inference in their edits or asked to remove that inference. Fwiw I could have provided enough evidence at an SPI at the time to make a reasonable case against Sistorian, but there you go. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:51, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hallo, Christopher Ling popped up on my watchlist because I PRODded a BLP article on someone else of that name many years ago.

I created a redirect from his full name Christopher George Ling as given in the lead, and it resolved a red link in 1937 Coronation Honours - but I don't see that CB mentioned in his article. Over to you. It's always a good idea to create redirects from other versions of someone's name, as it often resolves red links elsewhere, can help a reader who has a different name for the person they want to find, and also can help avoid duplicate article creation. I also added him to the surname list at Ling (surname). Thanks. PamD 09:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for bringing that to my attention, I wonder if I missed the CB in The Gazette? Thanks for creating the redirect and adding his surname to the Ling (surname)! StickyWicket (talk) 10:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you, you too :) StickyWicket (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

		The Featured Article Medal
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 12:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see that article in particular get there. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Such and interesting and varied life, nice to get him to FA status :) I have a few more cricketers lined up over the summer too. StickyWicket (talk) 07:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild:. Cheers! Got there in the end haha! First of many, I hope, as it's only taken me 13 years to get a FA! StickyWicket (talk) 07:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly a lot of pent up creativity about to be loosed then. We need a second data point to see how steep the exponential curve is going to be. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haha there's plenty pent-up, hopefully that curve is going to exponentially increase. I think it's the first cricket FA for 7 years? StickyWicket (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think 2009 Women's Cricket World Cup Final was the last, in May 2020. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhh, looks like the list on WP:CRIC is out of date, but still a 3 year gap is quite long. StickyWicket (talk) 16:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree. And pulling off the trick of getting an article through FAC which is notable for two entirely separate reasons, especially a bio, is a rare one. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully might inspire some other CRIC members to take similar articles to FC, would be nice to have C. B. Fry (who reputedly turned down the throne of Albania) as a FA oneday. StickyWicket (talk) 19:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it! Gog the Mild (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, AssociateAffiliate! The article you nominated, John Manners (cricketer), has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Gog the Mild (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, while working on Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/Featured_content, which includes reporting of your featured article (feel free to check the writeup - plenty of time to change it if you hate it) - I realised I don't know your preferred pronouns. Would you mind sharing? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 03:32, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haha not at all. Just a he! Just looking at the little poem for Manners, part of which reads "Her Majesty's Ship, Viceroy.". Was His Majesty's Ship under his command, though not sure if that matters in a jovial sense! StickyWicket (talk) 08:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point, and may as well get it right, eh? The two long-lived queens cover enough of the periods I write about usually that it's easy to slip into habits.

Thanks a lot! Updated the little poem. I'm kind of hoping this is easier to read than the old style featured content, which was the first paragraph or so of twenty-some articles always seemed a bit much - we were still using the techniques of the old weekly issues after it didn't really work anymore. Mind ye, at some point I'm going to hit a Holocaust article or something and have to tread much more carefully, because most things I can afford to trivialise a little bit, but some... Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 09:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article Henry Ayres has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

NN athlete, played one match

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I'll put this here rather than anywhere else for now - the article had been prodded in 2016 so the prod would have been removed on those grounds. I didn't realise that only having played one match were grounds for prodding these days either... A very suitable alternative exists. I'll start adding details to it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers BST. All these PRODs and AfDs where a suitable ATD exists are getting tedious! Can't understand why people don't just be WP:BOLD and save everyone time and effort! StickyWicket (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's probably because they genuinely don't realise that it's a reasonable thing to do. As a heads up, WP:LUGSTUBS probably means we've got a tonne of stuff heading our way within the next six months or so. I'm doing some work on the articles that have been drafted there to see if it's possible to argue that the lists being generated have issues with them, which at least would mean that sources already in articles would need to be checked. But this could all get overwhelming. But, you know, never mind. The sun's out here... Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blimey, I'm so out of the loop with my Hampshire expansion project, I didn't even know this was a thing. On an amusing note, someone there seems to think Lugnuts created 19th century cricket articles. Pretty sure that wasn't him :D!!! I've done 150-ish Hampshire stubs so far and managed to expand them all, so seems they're safe for now. StickyWicket (talk) 10:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Toddst1 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You commented that These kind of nominations are very tedious for all concerned. WP:AFD is how articles are deleted and process was followed. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate in the discussion or even edit here. Either way, we could do without your snark. You may notice the other participants had much more constructive comments.

WP:BOLD encourages users to be bold when updating the encyclopedia. It is not a preferred way to eliminate articles. Toddst1 (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To note that I've added a note at Toddst1's talk page expanding on this situation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is tedious, there's no two ways about it. There are obvious ATD to go down, which are long-established. It wastes everyone's time, when the outcome was, unsurprisingly redirect. I'm sorry your feelings have been hurt, perhaps because you had to be corrected about what constitutes first-class cricket pre-1947? My explanation was constructive, but hey, if you don't want to learn something and admit you were wrong, then that's no skin off my nose, but perhaps that's why you've pettily felt the need to spam my talkpage? StickyWicket (talk) 13:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not wrong. Feelings not hurt. Just going by according to our process. You don't have to like it.

More importantly calling your behavior out. Toddst1 (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, you were wrong. Are you that arrogant? You claimed the cricketer hadn't played first-class cricket because it wasn't a thing before May 1894 (thereby insinuating that the article was created as a hoax), and I politely explained that the ICC allowed the ACS to define first-class cricket back to 1772. So yes, you were very wrong and hadn't created an accurate rationale for deletion, or checked with the cricket project if you were unsure. And a week later, you leave a comment here??? StickyWicket (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your signature does not comply with the behavioral guideline governing signatures, specifically the first bullet of WP:CUSTOMSIG/P, specifically, A customised signature should make it easy to identify your username. You are signing your comments as "StickyWicket (talk)" which does not comply with that requirement.

Please change your signature to comply with this requirement. Toddst1 (talk) 05:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddst1:After being confused by this sig in a post[1] on my talk, I came here to see if anyone else had warned of the problem.

Now I see that more than 2 weeks after your warning, the sig is still not fixed. Time to escalate? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BrownHairedGirl: I agree. But I'm apparently that arrogant. See above. Toddst1 (talk) 13:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, considering you nominated an article for deletion on an incorrect rationale, wouldn't admit you were wrong, then assumed yourself to be the authority for issuing first-class status to cricket matches (contrary to WP:OR), yes, I'd say so. StickyWicket (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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		I know next to nothing about cricket - but I do know this: you are an excellent Wikipedia editor. So here's a barnstar! BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Thank you! This Barnstar is very much appreciated and thank you for your kind comments :) Cheers! StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 19:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been editing for 14 years, I don't think I'm a vandal, do you? StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 09:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The article Spencer Crawley has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG. Not notable for his cricket career, article appears to have been created on cricket grounds and then hijacked to promote his business activities, which also appear non-notable as there is no significant coverage of him in the sources provided.

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Just be WP:BOLD and redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players, retaining the default sort and Category:English cricketers and Category:Oxford University cricketers. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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BugWarp (talk) 21:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :) You too! Many happy New Years cricket returns! StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at User talk:Fram, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Bbb23 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks? Have you seen their edit summaries. Condescending, rude. Absolutely no discussion with myself or the cricket project. So are you condoning that the manner in which they behave? Because it would seem so. For years, this editor has edited in a manner which can only be described as rogue, often working against community consensus. And what makes it worse is they actually contribute ZERO to the site as a whole. Basically zero article creations or major works on articles to expand them, they just masquerade as some pseudo-intellectual lording it over the project, redirecting articles, moving pages (often poorly and haphazardly). Where is their competency being questioned? If they were a competent editor, they should have the confidence and know-how to create and expand articles. In the last year, I have expanded nearly 500 cricket articles from stub to B/GA/FA. So which editor would this project rather have? Myself, who actually builds an encyclopedia, or Fram, who rubs people up the wrong way from his Belgian abode, and who laments contributors while himself having only ever contributed poorly written articles about people who pedal fast, or writes about some old French woman and spends 70% of the article talking about her husbands were. Jimbo had any sense, he'd ban this individual. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 16:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although I find Fram can be abrasive and unhelpful, they have contributed hugely to the encyclopedia, such as being the primary contributor of Exposition des primitifs flamands à Bruges, so you can't say they aren't a net positive as regards content creation. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot agree. They have spent years being abrasive and unhelpful to others. I know for a fact they have contributed to the retirement of several long-standing editors who, in the end, just got fed up with them. Any contributions seem to be outweighed by their snidely comments to other editors and that, I have little time for. There seems to be little comeback for their poor conduct. And I mean, it isn't hard to be polite. I'm not sure why they behave like they do, if they are like that in real life, or if it is an online act, but it's been going on for too long. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) The above is just another personal attack - and far longer and more aggressive than the one you posted to Fram's Talk page. Was there some recent trigger that prompted the attack? I assume you don't personally attack other editors simply because they don't meet your standards of content creation? You are not entitled to challenge someone's conduct by attacking them. WP:ANI is the proper venue to seek sanctions against another editor for their conduct, not yelling at them on Talk pages.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working vigorously on the redlinks for List of Europeans first-class cricketers over the last few months, having thus far redirected 52 pages due to a general lack of sources, even where a full name is available. If I can find sources outside a database, I will create the article. Several of my recent creations were redirected with condescending "piss-taking" edit summaries. Proper etiquette is to drop a message on a user talkpage or project page, and most definitely not to use condescending edit summaries. There really isn't any need for it, and I will bite to what I consider rudeness. I am typically very polite and encouraging to users (like here), but I'm afraid Fram has a knack for rubbing me up the wrong way with their conduct, and have for years. They are another Daft-type character with regard to the Cricket Project, to whom they have in the past been rather uncivil toward. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like for minor cricketers I ain't really fussed. Redirect with categories maintained, but have the decency to message me with a list of redirects and don't leave rude, condescending bordering on "piss-taking" edit summaries aimed at a long-standing editor (not that length of standing matters, should be polite to all). 99.9% of editors on here seem to get that, but others still have this abrasive tone and I have no idea why? StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 16:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll need to see an example of a "piss-taking" edit summary; looking at recent edits, this summary of "Redirect, no indepth sourcing about him, just databases, passing mentions, routine coverage" isn't at all incivil.

"I'm afraid Fram has a knack for rubbing me up the wrong way with their conduct, and have for years." Well, as you can see from Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram, this isn't an isolated view, but when the evidence was put towards the Arbitration Committee, the decision was that the conduct didn't amount to a site ban. cf. "The Committee decides that Fram's ban was not required, and therefore vacates it."

I'd personally advise to ignore Fram if you can; and if you have a disagreement with content, ignore any edit summaries you think are uncivil, as they probably aren't directed personally at you. And don't snap back, as it makes it impossible to not pass fault on both sides. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:10, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In one edit summary "Reflect what he is known for" is condescending and "Oh, it's worse, that sole good source is about his father" is just outright abrasive and rude. There is no need for it really. I see article creations about cricket and cricketers all the time which might not meet what the project is after, but I am never rude to others.

Back in 2019, I was unfamiliar with this user, but I note from having read this case a few years ago, they pledged to improve their behaviour and conduct back in March 2018. For years after the fact, they have continued to act in an abrasive manner - so I struggle to see how that has been improved. At the end of the day, this is a website. I fail to see why someone has to A). take it so seriously, and B). in doing so, act in a manner unbecoming toward others.

In real life, I have little tolerance for rudeness and I work for some of the leading surgeons in the UK - people a lot more scary than Fram, and I tell them to be polite when the need arises :D Rudeness is my trigger, I'm afraid! StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 17:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SW, I get that Fram's language is rubbing you the wrong way, but when you answer condescension with a blatant personal attack, you actually put yourself in the wrong. Fram may be working just on the not-sanctionable side of the line, but you're taking their bait and excusing taking that bait by saying 'rudeness is my trigger'. Why are you letting him pull your trigger, when it could literally get you blocked if you don't learn how to control your response? Valereee (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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...has been recreated, you prod'd it last year. Still looks borderline from my perspective, but you are definitely more of a subject matter expert than me! Daniel (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Daniel, thanks for the message. I'd edge on the side of taking it to AfD. He may make his List A debut in the coming days, but that alone probably won't be enough to satisfy wider GNG. But until he does make his debut in a major form of cricket, I'd delete for sure! StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it looks as if you weren't advised that this article is in AFD. It is one you created although there has been a change of title. Apologies if you did know about it. Batagur baska (talk) 00:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up. Strange nomination, 64 matches at the highest domestic level in Pakistan and England. Highlights the Anglo-centric bias of the site at times. AA (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. And, yes, I agree. Batagur baska (talk) 00:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. The List of Southland representative cricketers is a bit of an odd one out in that when you set it up you include Hawke Cup players. In my trawl through the Otago list that seems to be a bit problematic.

I've come across multiple examples of players where contemporary press reports are showing that they played HC cricket for Southland (or North Otago or Central Otago etc...) where there's no mention of this in CricketArchive - which is essentially the primary source for lists like this. Basically it's incomplete - certainly before the league structure existed it only covers some elimination matches and probably most challenge matches. As a result I don't think we'll ever get a full list of Southland Hawke Cup players, and the huge majority of the ones we can add will likely not be suitable for articles.

If you don't object, I'd like to cut the list down to just the first-class players and then have a look at those biographies and see what I can come up with for them. I imagine there are ones with potential as well as some who will have to be notes. What do you think? Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I might have worded it rather poorly. I think they are all Southland players who played first-class cricket and in the Hawke Cup. So anyone who never played FC but did play HC is included, but yeah, if that's what I've done, there's no point in mentioning HC in the lead. I'll take a look!... hmm, yeah, no objections. Just FC would be much more succinct and better. AA (talk) 11:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no worries. I'll take a look when I can get to the right computer and start by cutting the list down unless you do it in the meantime. A quick drag through the list suggests there are a couple of doctors on it and they usually pull up press coverage. Probably a couple of others as well. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The list looks much better now. I find the National Library of New Zealand usually has a good newspaper archive which covers even the most obscure of NZ players. NZ is pretty close to being done, player-wise, too. AA (talk) 18:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're doing some work on this article, feel free to steal from my draft: User:Harrias/Leslie Gay. Will try and keep an eye too. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 22:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, will do! I did some work to Coote Hedley the other week too :) AA (talk) 22:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias:. Do you have a reference for this part: "He split from his wife, and opted to live a "hedonistic" lifestyle; playing golf and cricket, and sharing the home of a wealthy young widower in east Devon." I'm looking to add it to the later life section. AA (talk) 12:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Leslie Gay had enjoyed a hedonistic lifestyle – one might even venture to suggest one of gay abandon – unfettered by the cares or challenges facing the less well-connected." (Hill, Stephen (2016). Somerset Cricketers 1882 – 1914. Wellington, Somerset: Halsgrove. p. 144. ISBN 978-0-85704-291-0.). If you want I can send you over scans / photos of his whole entry? Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's wonderful, thank you. I think I'll be okay without the whole entry for now, but thanks anyway :) I'm looking to get a dozen or so Hampshire cricketers to GA in the next 12 months or so, so if you fancy a joint-shot at getting a couple of the Hampshire-Somerset ones like Gay or Coote Hedley there, I'm happy to collab! AA (talk) 21:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm up for that. Work's really stressful at the moment, so I'm not on here much, but hopefully it'll calm down after Easter, and I'll be a bit more active. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 19:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome stuff! Also busy at work too, entering into nights and not much leave booked over the coming months, so will be slow progress I think at my end too! AA (talk) 00:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on this article. Can you clarify your most recent edit. You refer to “her death””. Does this refer to his wife or the widower he was living with? Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 09:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This refers to the widower, I'll clarify that. There's about two-dozen more Hampshire cricketers with football careers that need I will expand at some point, so more to come! AA (talk) 10:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. this might be of your interest. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for the heads up. Test cricketers are off limits hahaha! AA (talk) 19:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, I thought that it was an April Fools joke. Robo^Cric Let's chat 19:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, has this program become defunct? I found it interesting and edited it though. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 19:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha I think any AfD nom of a Test cricketer is an April fools joke! Only 12 countries can play Test cricket, yet in the eyes of some it isn't the pinnacle of the sport...! Probably one of the most exclusive levels of sport in the world.

I revamped the project a few years ago after seeing what WP:MILHIST had on the go. Thought it would be nice to have a contest running like they do to encourage article expansion, but it never took off, mainly because we lack the numbers, whereas MILHIST is one of the largest project's on the site. A shame, would be nice to give out some of my 3D paint awards! AA (talk) 06:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in recent edits to J. G. Greig you introduced sfn references {{sfn|Sen|2015|p=72}} , {{sfn|Mukherji|2020|p=72}}, and {{sfn|Menon|2006|p=3}}. Unfortunately you did not define the sources, which means that nobody can look them up, and the article is added to Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could supply the missing sources it would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 14:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware, it's obviously undergoing an expansion. AA (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then you might want to use edit summaries, Template:Under construction, and the talk page, to make it actually obvious. And even then, you should define your sources as and when you use them. DuncanHill (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps the original article needs/should have been recreated? I think you have taken deleting the work of the banned user far too liberally; far from discouraging them, it has removed some long-standing valuable articles, see here for WP:CRIC concerns. AA (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok. Will make a note for the future. Cheers. Shrug02 (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@CharlieMehta why am I notified of this? This isn't my article, I only create cricket articles. AA (talk) 21:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You created this article as the cricketer Rishabh Arjun Chandra Shah (born 11 September 1991). It was redirected to List of Durham UCCE & MCCU players in 2021 and recreated in 2023 as Rishabh Sanjay Shah (born 3 September 1991). StAnselm (talk) 01:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StAnselm I just noticed it in the edit history too. In fact, I found this article as a secondary search while participating at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I.I.M.U.N.. @AssociateAffiliate This seems like a clear case of someone taking over the redirected article for a different purpose; WP:AHIJACK. Charlie (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StAnselm @CharlieMehta Ah that makes sense, I didn't check the history, just saw he wasn't a cricketer and thought "huh"! :D AA (talk) 22:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on this. However this bit doesn't seem to make sense: ...John Arlott noting that "Few cricketers have had the quality to draw people to cricket grounds. Fewer still could do so". JH (talk page) 20:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have cut the "Fewer still could do so". Hopefully makes more sense now that he was alluding to his ability to draw in spectators. Do you have any additional book sources for this article, by any chance? AA (talk) 10:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came across this in A.A. Thomson's Pavilioned in Splendour, first published in 1956 but my copy is the Pavilion Books reprint in 1991, ISBN 185145 6589. On p90 he writes: "...the individual style and exuberance of Roy Marshall, their [Hampshire's] West Indian all-rounder, has been a constant joy." It's interesting that in 1956 he was viewed as an all-rounder, whilst by the mid-1960s he was seen almost exclusively as a batsman. JH (talk page) 16:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! I'll add that to the article. Reckon this has FA potential? AA (talk) 20:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert, but I don't see why not. JH (talk page) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha you're far better at writing cricket articles than me!!! AA (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about that. You far outstrip me in the amount of time you put in and the thoroughness of your research. JH (talk page) 09:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! My Hampshire project certainly is a rainy-day labour of love! 72% complete on biographies. AA (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AA, I was in the midst of withdrawing my oppose when the article was closed. If you decide to take Southern through PR, please ping me and I'll happily provide comments to help for its return to FAC. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, AA, I've been looking through the old Playfairs and you won't be surprised that the 1962 edition has a few things you might find useful. First, as I thought, Roy Marshall was chosen for the 1961 Playfair XI, as were Derek Shackleton and Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie. This is on pages 68/69, but photos only with minimal text.

There is a chapter called From Hambledon to a Hampshire Championship (pages 9 to 11), by John Arlott. On page 9, he writes about Hampshire's "run-getting power" and says of Marshall:

Roy Marshall has never batted better. While his stroke-making remained brilliantly aggressive, he played, at several crucial points, with a security quite amazing at such a scoring rate and, again and again, he wrested the initiative from opponents who had played themselves into a strong position.

On the same page, Arlott says of Henry Horton that he "wielded the strightest bat in England with unflagging patience and an insatiable hunger for runs".

Hampshire's County Review is on pages 92 to 93. Most of this is statistics plus a photo of Marshall playing a square cut. There are three paragraphs written by Arlott who says: "Those two contrasting yet complementary batsmen, Marshall and Horton, each scored over 2,000 runs in the championship". Later, he adds: "Just when the championship stood in hazard, Barnard threw off his previous self-doubt and became a dominating batsman".

The pen-pictures in The Playfair Who's Who of 1962 include for Barnard (page 147): "RHB, RM. Excellent field". Those for Horton and Marshall don't really add anything.

Reference details for this book would be Playfair Cricket Annual 1962, edited by Gordon Ross, published by Playfair Books Ltd, London.

I hope this is useful, and I'll let you know if I come across anything else. Best of luck. ReturnDuane (talk) 09:59, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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