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Hi, thanks for the contributions. There are some things that need cleaning up, indeed (e.g. I see links to external pages inside the main text, those are generally not the best, they may be better formatted either as references, or wiki links should be found for them). I would suggest that you split your userpage up, you can do that by pasting the parts into separate pages, e.g. User:In Citer/Page 1, User:In Citer/Page 2, User:In Citer/Page 3 (I would suggest you change the 'Page 1' into the actual title as you would like to see it in mainspace. It does look a bit confusing now. If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask. Some other policies and guidelines are linked from the welcome template below, which may also be of help. Thanks for contacting us, regards. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm at a loss. I have no knowledge whatsoever about the Dalet School, and my experience in private schools is restricted to having attended one when I was a child. I have no idea what it is you think I can offer, nor why you would put my name in the summary of your edit in creating that page. I have no idea what it is you think I can help you with. Magidin (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm glad you have asked that question.

First, type in "Template:Infobox Radio station" in the search box then copy the entire template from there (for easy access to the template, click on the link provided). Then you paste it in the new article you're about to create. Then with the sources needed, type in what the station is about.

If you're writing about an AM or FM station in the United States see the following links and type in the callsign of the station to get ownership info, frequency, power, and city of license (these are the most reliable sources to put info in the radio infobox):

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• FM Station Query: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html
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Following the station info, write a history section of what you know about the station so far. This may not be applicable, but if 24-hour programming consists of Radio Disney, ESPN Radio, K-LOVE, or whatever network, it is recommended to put the station history in there.

In the External Links column following the station website put in the following templates:

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• {{AML}}/{{FML}}

See an abbridged version of WBAP for example:

WBAP is a news and talk formatted-AM radio station in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. WBAP broadcasts on 820 kHz with 50,000 watts and its omnidirectional nighttime signal can be heard throughout Texas.

WBAP is one of many Disney/ABC Radio stations that has been transferred to Citadel Broadcasting and remains an affiliate of ABC. Despite different owners, WBAP and WFAA-TV maintain a strong partnership (as WFAA is the local ABC television affiliate). This station also broadcasts Dallas Stars games during the NHL season. Also, WBAP, and sister station KSCS are responsible for activation of the North Texas Emergency Alert System when hazardous weather alerts, Disaster area declarations, and child abductions are issued.^[1]

This is one of the few U.S. stations west of the Mississippi River that carries a "W" as the first letter in its call sign.

• WBAP News/Talk 820 - Official Website
• Facility details for Facility ID 71200 (WBAP) in the FCC Licensing and Management System

Note: If the stations has HD Radio audio capability, type in "{{HD Radio}}" next to the frequency.

Hopefully, this helps.

Any contributions to improve the article are welcome. The topic deserves an article in Wikipedia, but the piece to date has not reached an adequate standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete unseth (talk • contribs) 14:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with your version Pete is that it seems to include a lot of books, which heavily support a "anti-sacred name Bible" view. Any chance of cutting the list down to the most important ones? In Citer (talk) 15:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV requires citing both sides of an issue. I have reduced the list of references you saw as "anti". However, the current enlarged version of the article now has a number of points that take a partisan stance. Wikipedia aims to inform, not persuade. I deleted "F.F. Bruce", not being linked to a published citation. Working together, Pete unseth (talk) 16:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help so far. I have deleted some words which are not NPOV. I'm putting F. F. Bruce back on, since it was him who wrote the book I am using. I will make sure I include the reference. In Citer (talk) 16:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The last two paragraphs from earlier form have been deleted. I thought them useful. The passages could be updated to quote the Bethel edition. There are still sections which are more persuasive than informative; not always enough to change individual words. Working together, we will achieve an improved and acceptable version. Pete unseth (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In Citer, in the articles that touch on the Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition, I still hope to see more documentation for some points. I assume you are writing in good faith, but Wikipedia is built on documenting our claims. Pete unseth (talk) 03:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In Citer, I've made a few changes to some articles in an effort to remove some incorrect information and as well as some that is not written from the neutral point-of-view to which encyclopaedias attain. I think you'll find that I have not removed the SSBE from the list of Bibles. I'm sorry if I've removed information you added in the process; I assure you that I am not attempting to attack your work directly (or that of anyone else). AndrewNJ (talk) 05:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more question: I changed the "Divine Name translations" to "Sacred Name translations" heading because it seems the more common term, and in my understanding they are synonyms. What would you consider the difference between the two? AndrewNJ (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andrew. It's been several years so you might not even be reading this but I think I figured out the difference between Sacred Name and Divine Name translations. I figure that whenever Divine Name is used it is always used in reference to the name Yahweh, rather than Jehovah, or any other form of the name, as Yahweh is by consensus the Divine Name of the Most High. In Citer (talk) 12:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment I still have some more redirects to do to various pages I have created. Also, here I am trying to come to a strategy of improving this section of the Assemblies of Yahweh page and it would be great if someone could help User:In Citer/Page 4. I have an image I will be putting on the Assemblies of Yahweh page sometime soon too. In Citer (talk) 15:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fctedt (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)I have done some editing on the AOY page. It has been hard to keep it stable because of vandalism. One of the things I (and it seems at least a few others) have tried to do is keep the article streamlined. For instance, in the Doctrinal Beliefs section a brief overview of some of the doctrines proclaimed by the AOY are put forth. A link is provided on the page to the AOY's own Statement of Doctrine for those who may wish to see more than the brief overview. Occasionally someone will say that there should be other party links to reference statements. This Doctrinal Beliefs section (and other sections) is simply presented as what the AOY proclaims and is supported by the SOD that the organization proclaims. I personally have not found it useful to reference what the Southern Baptist Convention or Oxford College or the Los Angeles city council (etc...) "thinks" the AOY proclaims. Right now the AOY article is shorter than most religious organization articles on Wik. Every thing in the article is a matter of public proclamation of the AOY itself (publishing, radio, television etc...) presented briefly and as concise as possible. It has been the goal to keep out opinions of what the AOY proclaims or does. (whether or not someone agrees with what the AOY says or does is a matter of personal opinion and not relevant to an encyclopedia article.) As far as the "look" of this section... Anything that would make it quicker and easier to read perhaps. What that would be I do not know. Adding information would not achive this and it is already short enough that removing any more information from this article would begin to reduce it to a "stub".[reply]

That is fine, I'm just trying to help. Someone has taken up the offer on including a table, though it wasn't really what I had in mind. Still, I think it works really well to organize the article. I don't want to get in to conflict (WP:COI) because of this article so I approve of your WP: BE BOLD edits for the time being. Anything you disagree with let me know or fix it yourself (WP:SOFIXIT). If I don't agree, I will let you know on your user page. Thanks for sharing your concerns about my edits. In Citer (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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They want the AOY article deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.103.241.89 (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated The Narrow Way (Newsletter), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Narrow Way (Newsletter). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the warning, you still have to put warnings up about the rest of the pages you have put up for deletion which I have created. I will be waiting. Also you may want to check out the Incidents page because we are discussing your conduct. Thanks again. In Citer (talk) 16:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I have not put any other pages up for deletion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bali has and you have endorsed him or vice versa. Perhaps you could leave a message on his user talk page and remind him of WP:etiquette. Thank you. In Citer (talk) 16:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First, speak to Bali yourself if you would like. I am not going to be a conduit. Second, assume good faith as we are not working together and we are actually interested in improving the articles, some of which are going to survive deletion discussions. If you think he is being disruptive, speak about it at WP:ANI or better yet at WP:Wikiquette alerts (and I suggest you do it in a concise fashion as opposed to a long diatribe or others will ignore it). Third, one more comment like this and I am blocking you. Last warning. Nobody was complaining about notability there so don't just start random arguments for no reason. If you want to be helpful, actually look through the sources and include information in the articles. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky, I would like to apologise if you thought I was assuming bad faith on your eidts. I don't understand why both you and Bali have been so forceful in changing the articles I have created, but hopefully we can smooth things out. In Citer (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of editing the archives (which means that the threads are essentially closed), I've started a new section at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Assemblies_of_Yahweh_AFDs, in part on your editing. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Good luck! travb (talk) 22:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about how it improves readability but I'm not sure combining multiple sources into a single ref tag follows the ideas behind Wikipedia:Citing sources. However, if you revert, I'm not going to fight it. Besides, we may be able to find more use for those sources eventually. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ricky. Thank you for the co-operation so far. I would like to revert that particular edit simply because I'm trying to keep very similar references together. When we redirect all these AOY pages, I really don't want a lot of these internet sources on their own tags. If when this page is finished and the references are sortable, I may even undo the edit again. Thank you. In Citer (talk) 10:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm having trouble with this page, I think I'll sleep on it. In Citer (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Diannaa. The website has a waiver on it at the bottom of the article as per WP:DONATETEXT and therefore the text is permissible to be used on Wikipedia. Would you mind therefore reverting the reverts you made to the article? Much thanks In Citer (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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When typing 'Assemblies of Yahweh' in to the main Wikipedia.org page it comes up with a description and I'm paraphrasing from memory: 'Christian denomination headquartered in Bethel, Pennsylvania' Would you be able to let me know how to change this. I hope to change it to 'religious denomination'. I have posted this on the talk page of Assemblies of Yahweh but no one has offered to help. The Assemblies of Yahweh believe in the Bible but do not call themselves Christians. They neither call themselves Jew or Christian as they refer to themselves as 'true worship'. Thus, religious denomination would be more fitting. Thanks In Citer (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi In Citer that information come from the WP:Wikidata on the subject. If you look in the left hand menu you'll find a link to "Wikidata item" where you can see the data for the subject including a description. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, thank you. In Citer (talk) 13:26, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xanzzibar. Thanks for your edits on the Jacob O. Meyer article. So, I don't really know how this works, but I prefer the pull quote template I used, rather than the prose for the quote of Elder Jacob O. Meyer (OBM) in his will. But I'm willing to hear you out regarding why you feel prose would be more suitable. For me, using the template directs the attention to the quote and sums up what Meyer stood for in his whole life. In Citer (talk) 10:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's an MOS issue. Decorative formatting is discouraged, and the template documentation specifically says not to use it for block quotes in articles. --Xanzzibar (talk) 11:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xanzzibar. As far as I can tell, I would only have to tweak the paragraph to change it from a blockquote to a pullquote. I read the article on such and the example it gives is the following:

If this would suffice as a cquote, then surely a few words from Meyers will should too. In Citer (talk) 11:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's an example of how the formatting works, not a suggestion to include them in article space. The documentation explicitly says, "This template should not be used for block quotations in article text.", and the MOS specifically admonishes against using decorative elements such as those in cquote. --Xanzzibar (talk)

I see. Fair enough. In Citer (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. It's true that I had a bit of a rant on the Yahweh article five years ago. I was angry because all sorts of ideas were appearing on that article that were WP:FRINGE, but more importantly unproven. Now I am member of my faith, and have been for the past few years, I'm a bit more seasoned. But you have to remember this rant happened about 5 years ago. A long time has passed since then, and I already was reprimanded at that time. I have always used the talk pages when discussing my edits and haven't got in any edit wars since because I have been careful to use the talk pages. In my faith, we are not anti-Semitic. They are some groups which are - we most definitely aren't. Matter of fact, sometimes people in our faith are wrongly thought to be Jews. I was in my 20's when that rant happened and I was venting my frustration on what was happening on the Yahweh article. In recent years, I've avoided the Yahweh article because I do feel passionately about the Name and it's correct use but I've been saddened by the fact that ideas about Yahweh's evolution, him being first a Canaanite Mighty One and other such ideas appear there. As a Wikipedian I know it's important for people to add a neutral point of view to the encyclopedia, but to have any view, one must have the passion to seek it. They are articles which I have improved tremendously since then such as the Sacred Name Bibles article. Again, I don't feel I should face a ban for something that occurred 5 years ago, in the heat of the moment. The Book of Ecclesiastes states "take not heed unto all words that are spoken" and I ask that you also would forgive me for that outburst those many years ago In Citer (talk) 3:38 pm, 14 September 2021, Tuesday (14 days ago) (UTC+2)

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